| Interview with Jacinta conducted by Barry Hanratty April 16,1983
BLESSED VIRGIN SEEMED TO
PREFER THE MOST...
WAS THE SUBJECT OF PRIESTS"
Lady of Garabandal
JACINTA'S INTERVIEW - 1983
you often think about the apparitions?
A. Yes, enough.
Sometimes I think it happened to somebody else.
Q. Can you still remember what the Blessed Virgin looked
Yes. She was someone you never forget.
Q. Here is a picture of Our Lady of
Perpetual Help do you remember when visiting the New York Center in 1976
and seeing this picture on the kitchen wall of Joey Lomangino's home, you
said that the look in the eyes reminded you of the Virgin?
A. I remember it well because the
eyes in this picture have a very compassionate look which remind me of the
Blessed Virgin's look, but the face of this Virgin is a little fuller than
the way I saw her.
Q. Can you describe the crown that Our Lady wore? Did
you ever count the number of stars?
A. It was round and of 12 stars.
Q. Twelve? You counted 12 stars?
A. Yes, and whenever I see a statue
of the Blessed Virgin with the crown, I always count the stars to see if
there are the right number.
Q. This is a fine detail that I don't know if you will
recall but were they six pointed stars or five pointed stars?
A. I believe they were five, yes,
Q. Was the crown open?
A. Yes it was open at the back and
we were able to put it on ourselves.*
*During the apparitions, the Blessed Virgin
handed the seers her crown so they could look at it more closely.
Q. Did the crown go straight up (in a vertical position)?
A. It was tilted slightly toward the
Q. Wasn't there a pattern on Our Lady's dress? Can you
describe what it was?
A. There was a design of flowers but
they were faint.
Q. The Virgin came to Garabandal as Our Lady of Mount
Carmel and had the scapular on her wrist during the apparitions. Did you
know what it was when you first saw it?
A. Yes, we recognized it because it
looked like a scapular and we were already familiar with it because we had
always worn it in our families.
Q. Did the Virgin actually speak to you about it? Did
she explain its significance?
A. Yes, she spoke about it. She said
it was very important.
Q. Can you describe the scapular the Virgin had on her
A. It had a mountain on one part and
a cross on the other.
Q. Do you remember what colors the cross and mountain
A. The scapular was dark brown and
the cross was white. The mountain was a different color maybe something like
The Warning and Communist Tribulation
Q. On the two nights of screams,* you
saw visions of the future conditional chastisement that would come to mankind
if we do not change after the Warning and Miracle. Did you also see the Warning?
*On the nights of June 19 and 20, 1962, the visionaries
were heard screaming in terror when they saw visions of the future conditional
chastisement and other events to come.
A. I prefer not to speak about that
subject. The Blessed Virgin didn't say we should speak about all the details
of what was shown to us. I remember she said it was very important that we
pray about all that.
Q. My question is whether you actually saw the Warning.
I am not asking you to reveal things that you are not supposed to speak about
but rather if you just actually saw it.
A. I can't explain it very well. I
remember that I was very afraid. It seemed as though it were both [seeing
it and being told about it]. Also, everything got very dark. You can imagine
how terrifying it was because we were still very much afraid even though
we were seeing the Virgin at the same time.
Q. Did you see visions of the communist tribulation
that is to precede the Warning?
A. I don't know exactly. The Virgin
said that we should pray much so that these things don't come.
Q. Could you tell the difference between visions of
the chastisement and visions of the Warning or tribulation?
A. Yes, we could tell the difference
because the chastisement was a far more fearful thing.
Q. In a 1979 interview, * you said in describing the
communist tribulation that "it was like an invasion. " Did you
see scenes of this invasion?
*See GARABANDAL, July-September, 1982 page 16,
A. Sometimes I confuse an invasion
with a persecution.
Q. Did you ever see anything that had to do with the
A. No, but the Virgin said that in
the future he was going to be in need of much prayer.
Q. You have also said that when things were at their
very worst then the Warning would happen. How do you know this? Did the Virgin
tell you or did you see it in a vision?
A. The Virgin said that the Warning
would come when conditions were at their worst. It wouldn't be just the persecution
either because many people will no longer be practicing their religion.
(Below) Today, Jacinta still reflects the same purity and innocence that
was so apparent during the time of the apparitions.
Q. When the Warning
comes it will be seen and felt by everyone on earth.
Does this include little children who have not yet reached the age of reason?
A. Yes. That's why we felt sorry for
them because it was such a terrifying experience.
Q. Were there things that you saw on the two nights
of screams that the Virgin told you not to talk about?
A. Yes, there were things and no,
we can't talk about them. Even if I wanted to talk about it, I don't think
I would be able to explain it properly.
Q. Can you tell us anything about what the
world will be like when the Warning comes?
Q. Many people believe that we are living in
the age of the apocalypse. Did the Virgin
ever speak to you about the end times or indicate that we were living in
the "latter times"?
A. I don't remember her saying the
"latter times" but I do remember her saying "difficult times."
Q. Did the Virgin ever use the word apocalypse?
A. I don't remember now but it's possible
that she did.
Q. Did the Virgin ever give you any secrets that you
Q. Is there anything you can say that no one
has ever asked you?
Q. Did the Blessed Virgin ever speak about St. Joseph?
A. I don't remember if she did.
Unification of the Churches
Q. Do you remember when the Virgin told
you that the Churches would unite?
A. I don't remember when but she did
say that the Churches would unite.
Q. Did she say if it would be the Catholics and the
Protestants or did it include, for example, the Orthodox Church as well?
would reunite into the Catholic Church.
Q. All would come into the Catholic Church?
A. She didn't name the other Churches
but said that all would come into the Catholic Church. The way she said it
was all humanity would be within one Church, the Catholic Church. She also
said it was very important to pray for this intention.
Q. Did she indicate when this would take place?
A. No, but the more we pray the faster
it will happen.
Q. Sometimes you had apparitions alone with the Blessed
Virgin. Do you remember some of the things you would talk about?
A. I remember her talking to me the
way a mother would talk to her daughter about everything.
Q. Did she prefer to discuss certain
subjects as opposed to others?
A. The subject the Blessed Virgin
seemed to prefer the most was the subject of priests.
Q. In the first Message, the
Virgin asks for penance and sacrifice. What does that mean
A. For me the word
sacrifice means accepting the difficult things, the things one does not like.
Q. Did the Blessed Mother ever indicate to you what
would be a sacrifice or a penance?
A. She never specifically indicated.
She did say how we should act; to be simple, honest and obedient.
Q. Did Our Lady ever give you any personal guidelines
for your life such as certain prayers you should say every day?
A. The first prayer the Virgin recommended
was the holy rosary and then the "Confiteor" before receiving holy
Communion and the prayer "Soul of Christ" afterwards.
Q. Did the Blessed Virgin ever speak to you
about the Sacrament of Reconciliation ?
A. Yes, she did. Now there are people
who want to do away with it but the Virgin said it was very important.
Q. Did she say how often one should go?
A. As far as I remember, she didn't
indicate how often one should go but said that it was important that one
recognize within one's self that they had sinned in order to make an effort
not to do so and to improve one's self. Today there are many people who give
no importance to sin.
Q. Did the Virgin ever speak about purgatory?
Q. Did she actually use the word purgatory?
A. Yes, because she said many souls
Q. During the apparitions, the Blessed Virgin taught
you to recite the rosary very slowly. Do you think she did this only because
you were children who should learn to say it properly or do you think it
was meant as an example that everyone should follow?
A. It was meant as an example for
Q. When you recited the Hail Mary in ecstasy, bystanders
heard you say, ". . . holy Mary, Mother of God and our Mother. . . "
Did the Blessed Virgin ever say anything to you about adding that phrase
A. She said she liked it very much
but that we shouldn't use it until the Church approved of it.
How did you come to use it? Did you decide among yourselves
beforehand that you would say it that way or did it just come out spontaneously
while you were praying in ecstasy?
A. It just suddenly came out. As we
were praying we just felt it inside of us. We wanted to tell her that she
was our mother too.
Q. Did all four of you say it at the same time?
A. I don't exactly remember but it
seems as though it just came out.
Q. Do you remember while praying the Creed in ecstasy
adding the words "apostolic and Roman"?
A. Of course, this is the way the
Creed is supposed to be said.
(NOTE: During the apparitions of Garabandal witnesses heard the visionaries
pray the Creed in ecstasy adding the words "apostolic and Roman."
Up until the time of this interview, Jacinta thought that that was the correct
way to say it and was surprised when told it wasn't so. She even remarked
how she noticed on television when the Holy Father recited the Creed during
his visit to Central America, that he left "Roman" out and wondered
why he did. She does not know how they came to say the Creed in ecstasy adding
the words "apostolic and Roman.")
Q. Of all the teachings you received from Our Lady,
which one has made the greatest impression on you?
A. For me, it was obedience. Once
when the Virgin was to appear to me at about three in the morning, my father
wanted me to go to bed so I complained to him. Then the Virgin didn't appear
to me for a month and when she finally did, she explained to me the reason
she hadn't come was because I had not been obedient to my father.
Q. Did you ever think of becoming a nun?
A. Yes, many times after the Blessed
Virgin appeared I thought of becoming a nun. Before the apparitions, no.
Q. Many people have the idea that those to
whom the Blessed Mother appears should become religious whereas all the Garabandal
visionaries have married. What would you say to those who think you should
have become sisters or nuns?
A. I used to think the same way myself.
But what I would say to those people is that a person must follow their vocation.
Later, I realized that it was not my vocation to become a nun and had I become
one I think it would have been like a condemnation because I wouldn't have
been able to live up to what I was supposed too do.
Q. Did the Virgin ever indicate to you in any way that
you would eventually marry?
A. No. When I asked the Blessed Virgin
if I would one day become a nun she would not answer me.
Q. You were the only one of the seers
to see a vision of the Sacred Heart at Garabandal. When you reflect on that
vision what comes to your mind first?
A. I remember it better than the visions
of the Blessed Virgin. He [Our Lord] had a look of love on His face and although
He didn't say anything, I felt He was saying, "I am with you and I will
always be with you." This vision was different from the ones of the
Q. When you think back about the visions of the Virgin
and St. Michael what thought first comes to your mind?
A. My first thought is, why me? Why
was I chosen?
Q. When was the last time you went to Garabandal?
A. Three years ago.
Q. Did you happen to see Man Cruz and did you talk to
Q. Did you speak to her about the apparitions?
A. I prefer not to comment on what
we spoke about.
Q. Can you think of any reason why she has not retracted
her denials like the rest of the visionaries?
A. I think she is a good person but
I have no opinion as to why she has not retracted. Her parents have not supported
her too much in this affair.
Q. How many brothers and sisters do you have and what
are they now doing?
A. I have seven brothers and sisters.
All are older than me except one. They are all now working in Spain except
one who is in New York.
Q. How are you related to Conchita?
A. We are second cousins on my mother's
*Jacinta's grandmother and Conchita's grandmother were sisters.
Q. How do you like living here in California?
A. I would prefer to live in Spain.
Q. Do you think you will ever go back to Garabandal
A. I would like to. I hope that someday
I will be able to live there again.
Q. What do you think of the village compared
to what it was during the time of the apparitions?
A. I liked it better the way it was
before because it was simpler and the people were more spiritual. But I still
Q. Do you keep in touch with the other visionaries?
A. Yes, by telephone (laughter). Jeff
interjects: "You should see our phone bill."
Q. About how often?
A. Sometimes as often as once a month
and sometimes we talk as
long as two hours (more laughter). And I'm the one making the call [sometimes
Loli or Conchita call Jacinta]. I call when I'm feeling a bit sad or depressed.
Q. When you look back at the time Our Lady gave you
the first Message and the concern she expressed at the time, do you think
she is pleased with the way the Message is spreading?
A. I think she is happy with the way
the Message is spreading but at the same time I think she wishes that it
continue to be spread even more. The Message is the most important thing.
Q. Is there any advice that you would
give to those who are spreading the Message? What particular virtues do you
think the Virgin would like to see in those actively involved in the apostolate?
A. It's important that those who are
spreading the Message set the example by living the Message themselves.
Q. If you could give a message for the world what would
A. People should have mutual respect
for each other as human beings and above all they should place God first
before their fellow man.